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Pension Records for John Crawford

ceecee170 — 2010-07-19 04:37:55Z

I have Rev. war pension records for John Crawford, which I requested years ago from National Archives when researching my Crawford line. This John Crawford was born in 1763 at Scarsdale, Westchester, New York. He volunteered in 1776 and served as a waiter to Capt. Samuel Crawford, who was his father. After the war he lived in Saugerties, Ulster County, New York, and became a minister. I would be happy to send the papers to one of his descendants.

Quakers in the Revolutionary War

ckee015 — 2010-07-14 18:24:44Z

Does anyone know how to find records of people who contributed funds, medical aid or any other resources to the Revolutionary War?

Rev. soldier to be honored in Saratoga Springs

barbaracady83 — 2010-07-05 21:16:04Z

Major Cady was in the Mass. Line.
In about a month or two (time is uncertain) a memorial marker will be placed in the Cady Hill Cemetery in Saratoga Springs, NY. It will honor the previously unrecognized Major Jeremiah CADY , born 1731, who served at the Alarm of Lexington in 1775 and led a detachment or regiment to Quebec for the relief of our army there. He was the great-great-grandson of Nicholas CADY who was progenitor (or primo papa) to most of the Cadys in the US as I understand. Some of the surnames I have that are descended or closely related are BACON, DARLING, FAIRCHILD, PINE, REED, SPAULDING, ULLREY, O'BRIEN, ROYCE, AUSTIN, BEATTIE, LIZOTTE, SELLECK,GILBERT, CALKINS.
If you are interested in attending and in that area at the time, let me know and I will send more information when it is given to me. If you would like information about how the surnames connect to Cady also, let me know and I will send what information I have. My email address is cady978@aol.com
Barbara Love Cady

Re: Records for Revolutionary War Soldiers

gaylemc80 — 2010-07-04 20:43:19Z

Thanks for the info. The DAR now has a site open to the public http://www.dar.org/library/online_research.cfm

Re: Records for Revolutionary War Soldiers

CaroleAlden — 2010-07-04 01:48:50Z

Try Ancestry.com They had the whole pension file for my soldier and also two names of people who wrote for his file a long time ago.

Re: Pension Pages Info

frostfreedet — 2010-05-04 22:38:18Z

You are talking about the ledger listing payments, entitled "U.S. Pensioners, 1818-1872" on Ancestry.com. This is not on HeritageQuest.

In the first instance, that would be city of Albany.

In the second instance for the Utica pension office, you will note many entries where the payments just end, with no notation as to reason why. It all depended on how much information the clerk had in front of him, and possibly how much he felt like entering everything in front of him, or whether someone was breathing down his neck so he just wrote in the essentials (according to his instructions, not so much according to what we'd want to know now).

There are reasons other than death why payments might end. One of my ancestors was struck off the pension roll when a son-in-law wrote the pension office saying that he had deserted and did not deserve the pension. Later his 3rd wife applied for a widow's pension successfully, showing evidence that he had returned to the regiment.

Pension Pages Info

markrf1 — 2010-05-03 20:57:16Z

Search on Ancestry and Heritage Quest, I have found 2 pension pages that show info for my ancestor, Archibald Farr. They leave me a little confused. On the one page, the place is "New York City of Albany". Is this suppose to be NYC, or Albany? On this sheet, it shows he transferred to Utica, March 1825(?).

On the Utica sheet, it only shows payments from 1832 - 1834, nothing else. IF he happened to have died in 1834, would it not have said so?

New New York Revolutionary Pensioners Pages.

dsegelquist — 2010-04-02 23:44:02Z

I have put up a page at my site ( Civil War Days & Those Surnames ) with seven pages of Revolutionary Pensioners of New York, Maybe you can find your ancestor on it, this link will take you there. http://civilwarthosesurnames.blogspot.com/2010/04/new-york-r...

Dennis Segelquist
Civilian & Military Surname Searcher
http://www.civilwarthosesurnames.blogspot.com

Re: Huntington, L.I. Revolutionary Lost 3rd Battalion Roster, Baylis

JeromeLevans — 2009-12-15 00:50:33Z

Have you tried looking in the New York Continentals? There were three companies of New York’s 3rd Continentals operating in the area and time you describe. They were under the command of Lt-Colonel Henry Brockholst Livingston of Clermont, Duchess County New York. Often they are referred to as Whale boat men during this time. They helped evacuate persons, possessions and livestock off L.I. to CT. They caused great disruption for the local Tories and British regulars.

There is a John Bailey who appears on the 1775 Brookhaven Tax list paying 10 shillings 2 pence on his property. The area is on the north shore of long Island NY and the area’s small cluster of towns collectively were often referred to as being Brookhaven. Today the area is known as the 3 village Area on the North Shore of L.I. This is just a little to the east of Huntington.

There is also a John Bayles who appears in the 1776 census along with a wife, 9 children and also with two slaves. Perhaps a miss or alternate spelling? You should at least consider it.

John Bailey’s name appears in Colonel Josiah Smith's First Regiment of Minutemen of Suffolk County. After the Battle of Brooklyn Heights, the remaining contingent of Col. Josiah Smith's shattered NY Regiment numbered only 35 men. They were encamped at New Haven, Connecticut with Lt-Colonel Livingston’s NY Continentals, some volunteers and Colonel William Richmond's Regiment of Continentals from Rhode Island during October 1776 through November 1776. After that time I can not say.

You may also wish to try looking through information about the Setauket Spy Ring. As you probably know, the British Army had control of Long Island following the disastrous Battle of Brooklyn Heights. The out lying portions of the Island were patrolled by Tory bands and the majority of the population was Tory in sympathy. An excellent spy ring was however, able to be set up on the Island by the few Patriots remaining. One of theses I believe was John Bailey.

Washington had appointed Benjamin Talmadge head of his secret service and he established an espionage network against the British in New York City and Long Island areas. The undercover operation on Long Island was extremely successful. He and his operatives choose friends and neighbors from Setauket (Brookhaven), both men and woman. The Setauket Spy Ring was maintained so well some operatives were not uncovered until the 20th century. Col Livingston would call upon this service in planning his raids there. You may wish to look through the Colonel’s correspondence.

Of course, if a member of the ring, much of what he would have done would have been secret and only those participating in events were the only sources to corroborate his actions. This would explain the great difficulties many had proving their service for a pension after the war. Many would seek their former officers, unfortunately most had passed away. In this case, Talmadge or Washington may have mentioned his name somewhere in their writings. A long shot but you never know.

I hope this little bit has been helpful. If I can still help don’t hesitate to call upon me. Good luck!

Jerry
JerryL17@Hotmail.com

Re: Huntington, L.I. Revolutionary Lost 3rd Battalion Roster, Baylis

declair59 — 2009-11-24 01:04:12Z

The name John Baylis shows up on a list for the First Regiment. I found this doing a google search. Here is an internet scan of the book "New York in the Revolution," which the other sites appear to refer to.

http://www.fortklock.com/myrevsuffolk.pdf

Re: Alexander Ross, matross, 1777 Continental Saratoga NY

frostfreedet — 2009-09-20 16:09:25Z

When you conflate items concerning several persons by same name, it is difficult for someone to take you seriously as a researcher. "Same name = same person" is the most common genealogical error.

Also when you give items that appear to refer to several different persons, it is a lot of trouble for someone who knows about *one* of them to explain who is whom. No one is going to be willing to explain to you all the descendancies of each of the lines.

In your posts you gave no indication that you were related to any of the men you were inquiring about (e.g., which child, born/died where? married to whom? evidence for this?).

There is no substitute for one-step-at-a-time research.

Re: Alexander Ross, matross, 1777 Continental Saratoga NY

thor205 — 2009-09-19 19:38:31Z

Great thanks so much for the info it helps tremendously. It's hard to know what to put in posts - I'm sort of hoping it'll jog someone's memory one day or someone else will be Googling the same family and see it. No one EVER replies to me so this is great thanks again! :)

Re: Alexander Ross, matross, 1777 Continental Saratoga NY

frostfreedet — 2009-09-19 15:13:41Z

The 17 vols. /Massachusetts Soldiers and Sailors of the Revolutionary War/ you will find of value.

You can look at the images either on ancestry.com by sub, free trial, or through your local library which may subscribe for patrons, or at this site

http://www.evendon.net/PGHLookups/HomePage.shtml

--click on Military

The compilers tried their best to sort out records of particular individuals. It is possible that some of the entries for the Boston man were for one or more other persons, but you'd have to determine that for yourself.

For some info on Stevens' Provisional Artillery, see

http://www.myrevolutionarywar.com/index.htm

--click on American Regiments, then on Artillery

In future, when you post material such as in your first and 2nd posts, it will help someone else to help you if you give exact sources of the data you give, as well as name of Regiment and Company commander for the entries.

Note that the items listed under the Boston man do not say that he was captured; the extracts are not complete. He does not appear on British POW records.

Re: Alexander Ross, matross, 1777 Continental Saratoga NY

thor205 — 2009-09-19 11:57:04Z

Thank you very much that's exactly what I thought and why I was looking for some guidance with these records. Did you find that information online and if so how could you tell he was from Boston?

Re: Alexander Ross, matross, 1777 Continental Saratoga NY

frostfreedet — 2009-09-19 07:19:30Z

The man of Stevens' Provisional Artillery lived in Boston during the war, served 3 years, and was receiving a pension in the 1780s.

The man who served *at* Saratoga was paid for 12 days' travel home (240 miles) after his service of 3 months and some days. He is not said to have been an artilleryman.

You seem to be combining the life-paths of several different persons. They can be sorted out by local research in person in Courthouses and State Archives of places *your ancestor* lived in by means of tax lists, land records, estate records, local court records and whatever manuscript collections may have some promising material.

There is no substitute for working back in time, one step at a time.

Re: Alexander Ross, matross, 1777 Continental Saratoga NY

thor205 — 2009-09-19 03:37:04Z

I know from his obit is that he lived in Saratoga NY and served in the Rev War. So I searched the NY muster rolls and found 1 Alexander Ross, matross, serving from late 1776 to 1778 around Saratoga:

State: Continental Troops
Regiment: Steven's Corps, Artillery
Record Type: Individual
Surname Starts With: R
Surname: Ross
Given Name: Alexander.

There are several pages of muster rolls and pay rolls and on one of them dated July 1777 in the remarks line it says "taken prisoner July 7, 1777. I also saw that notation in a book.

Does that help at all? Thanks very much for the reply
Best, Rosemary

Re: Alexander Ross, matross, 1777 Continental Saratoga NY

frostfreedet — 2009-09-19 02:27:28Z

What Regiment (and Company) was the Ross in, who was listed in the Ticonderoga roster as taken prisoner?

Alexander Ross, matross, 1777 Continental Saratoga NY

thor205 — 2009-09-18 14:21:36Z

Looking for information on (my ggggg gf) Alexander ROSS b. Scotland, d. at Saratoga, NY 1818. Please see the following data and agree, refute or add more if you know anything at all. I have a lot of circumstantial evidence but am looking for more.

He fought at the Battle of Culloden in 1745 and at the Battle of Quebec in 1759 where he was wounded on the Plains of Abraham. The 78th Highlanders were recruited in Inverness in 1757 and many of them had fought at Culloden - therefore I conclude he was probably born or living in the area of Inverness-shire Scotland at this time. He was a Presbyterian and a freemason and did not stay in Canada for long after the 78th Battalion disbanded in 1763. In the muster roll of the 78th Fraser’s Highlanders – which is the only battalion that fought at the Plains of Abraham – there is an Alexander Ross in the Colonel’s company (actually there are about 3 Alexander Ross’ in the 78th Regiment and I know at least 1 of them was Catholic and stayed in Quebec).

He also served in the Revolutionary War. There is an Alexander Ross in the Continental Troops serving in Saratoga, NY. An entry for him on the muster roll for the *Garrison at Ticonderoga, NY* dated June- July 1777 – “Taken prisoner July 7, 1777”. This would mean he was at Ticonderoga July 5/6, 1777 when Simon Fraser attacked the Fort and the next day, July 7, 1777, was taken prisoner in the Battle of Hubbardton. He survived and was in the 1790-1800 censuses living with his family in Saratoga, NY.

He married (probably) Mary Bibbens/Bevin in 1767, Cromwell CT, and had 6 children: David b. 1768, CT, (also *probably* Amos, James, John, Mary Phebe).

Any info at all - or historical notes - will be appreciated!

Re: Captain John Potter & Albany County Militia, circa April 1777

rgs1105 — 2009-09-12 15:35:44Z

Thank you............

Re: Bounty Land Warrants, pension appls.burned up?

SJacksonfourthgeneration — 2009-09-06 04:21:21Z

I have actually had some luck finding a document on Footnote.com for the New York Milita.
It's worth giving it a try.

Re: Captain John Potter & Albany County Militia, circa April 1777

frostfreedet — 2009-09-03 05:16:18Z

Relatively few Revolutionary War records survive for NY due to a 1919 fire in the State Library.

You can search for references in books that published extracts from records at this site:

http://www.threerivershms.com/search.htm

There are many rich sources in manuscript collections in libraries and historical societies, which must be researched in person. Little but very tiny scattered items from these resources have been extracted and posted on the web here and there.

For an example of what sorts of materials exist, take a look at this web site:

http://www.fort-plank.com/New_Partisan_Data.html

You would need to find some evidence of a connection between a person by this name in Albany Co., NY, and the persons in the Massachusetts material you have come across. Surviving tax lists, land records, or quit-rent items in manuscripts or Court records might enable you to trace the life-path of one or more persons by this name and prove or disprove a NY-Mass. connection.

You do not state what or who "said" there was this connection. A great many genealogies and purported histories make statements based on the most common genealogical mistake, "same name = same person," not to mention "same surname = same family."

You might find it more efficient in the long run to do the local in-person research on your target person's life-path that might turn up evidence that he went to NY.

Good hunting!

Captain John Potter & Albany County Militia, circa April 1777

rgs1105 — 2009-09-01 19:59:21Z

Captain John Potter b. 12 Sep 1746 Brookfield, MA., d. 20 Oct 1818 West Boylston, MA., was said to be in the Albany County Militia in New York State. He was the son of Daniel Potter and Abigail Wedlock. His tenure with Albany Militia would be prior to
April 1777, since he was chosen for Captain Ebenzer Newell's 7th Brookfield Co., Colonel James Converse's 4th Worcester Regiment of Massachusetts Militia.
Commissioned 1st Lieutenant, June 7, 1777. Engaged June 1, 1778 into Captain Joel Green's Company, Colonel Ezra Wood's Regiment, hence as regimental pay master. Anyone with information in regard to John Potter & Albany County Militia or link furthering my journey is appreciated.

Re: What is a "fifer"?

dsegelquist — 2009-08-10 14:21:08Z

A fifer is one who plays a small flute which is a small high-pitched flute without keys, but with holes along it’s tube, and often are used in military and marching bands.

Re: What is a "fifer"?

frostfreedet — 2009-08-10 12:43:23Z

Any on-line or home dictionary will tell you that a fifer is a person who plays a fife.

What is a "fifer"?

chorn50 — 2009-08-09 20:42:53Z

In reviewing the Revolutionary War pension files for Alexander Mackey of Ulster and Albany counties, I came across the word "Fifer."

Does anyone know what a "fifer" is or how I can find out?

Many thanks,
Cathy

Re: ezekial Hyatt

frostfreedet — 2009-06-05 03:39:07Z

There's nothing in published documentation about a Captain Ezekiel Hyatt.

An Ezekiel Hyatt (called "Jun'r" in 1779) was 1st Lieut. in Capt. John Drake's Company of Grenadiers, in the Third Westchester Co., NY Militia Regiment (the North, or VanCortlandt Manor, Regiment). This is according to Berthold Fernow's _Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New York, Vol. XV_ (Albany, NY: 1887). There were several Drakes who were Col. or Lt. Col. of this militia regiment; one was a Gilbert Drake, but the last appears to be a Samuel Drake.

In the National Archives Micropublication 248, "Revolutionary War Rolls", is a list of men signing a receipt roll in 1785 for pay for service in the Militia. Lt. Ezekiel Hyatt signed for a note for his pay for 1778-1781, 22 Feb. 1785; the note was given to him by Col. Samuel Drake for service in Samuel Drake's Regiment. This is on microfilm roll no. 73.

So this Ezekiel Hyatt was not killed in 1781. Perhaps another Ezekiel Hyatt was, but it does not look like an officer by this name died in 1781.

ezekial Hyatt

knightb3 — 2009-06-04 11:28:46Z

Looking for information on Captian Ezekial Hyatt died about 1781 near White Plains, New york. Believe he served in the militia and was killed by the Toreis. Believe he was from the Albany county area and was born in Massachusetts. Married to Phoebe Sherwood (Hoff or Mcfarland) who later remarried, father to Nathaniel born in Albany county New york 1781.

Re: James Stickney of Orange County, N. Y. Military Record

JeromeLevans — 2009-05-16 15:08:37Z

I would start with the local historical societies in your county. Also check over in Westchester and surrounding counties for additional information. You will have to learn the local History of the area and review the postings of regulars at such places as Croton and West Point. Have you tried the library at West Point?

I think Orange County NY was a very active area in as far as smaller,quick engagements. Hit and run & spy related stuff. Look toward the river crossings and sites along the Hudson that are on the Historical registrar. In reviewing the combatants participating in engagements look for mention of your officers name and his unit.

If your man is militia the road will be harder but not impossible. Look up other names in the unit for War pension documents and read their stories. If you have not done so, accumulate a muster roll of the unit and collect all their pensions. After digesting this it will be easdier to put together the pieces of the units service combined with the local history you have learned.

I guess this may make you the progenitor of a possible literary work or research project, but it is the only way to really find out unless someone else has done the work. If you do so, you will find doing such work tedious but very enjoyable.

You have a lot of resources in NY to work with. You are lucky in this respect. Be glad to offer more specific ideas if you wish. Best of luck to you.

Re: James Stickney of Orange County, N. Y. Military Record

gaylemc80 — 2009-04-12 20:59:34Z

I forgot to add: DAR members are descendants of these children:
ELIPHALET / [1] PHOEBE HOWELL
SAMUEL BELKNAP / [1] MARY SCHULZ
MARSHALL / [1] SARAH DAVIDSON

Re: James Stickney of Orange County, N. Y. Military Record

gaylemc80 — 2009-04-12 13:17:40Z

The DAR Index has this:
STICKNEY, JAMES Ancestor #: A109782
Service: NEW YORK Rank: LIEUTENANT
Birth: 8-6-1742 TEWKSBURY MASSACHUSETTS
Death: 1823 SHAWANGUNK ORANGE CO NEW YORK
Service Description: 1) ALSO ENS
Spouse Mary Belknap
You can purchase a copy of a woman's approved application
via http:///www.dar.org

Re: James Stickney of Orange County, N. Y. Military Record

frostfreedet — 2009-03-31 03:46:31Z

There was a James Stickney who was an Ensign in Capt. John Belknap's Company (from New Windsor Precinct) in the 2nd Regiment of Ulster Co. Militia, which was for the south end of Ulster Co., in 1775. This listing is in Berthold Fernow, _Documents Relating to the Colonial History of New York_ vol. XV (1887), which you can ask your library to borrow for you by inter-library loan, or you can view on the New York State Libary's web site free or on ancestry.com's web site.

County militia were composed of all able-bodied free white males aged roughly 16 to 60 (varies by time and place), who were obligated to be available for defense within the County. Relatively few militiamen saw active-duty service, which might include patrolling, guarding prisoners or escorting supplies bound elsewhere.

Nearly all militia muster rolls simply reflect a person's presence at a regular drill.

The majority of Revolutionary War records for NY militia, levies and State Troops were destroyed in a fire, though some rosters and other materials were published before the fire.

Some militia units were drafted into the Continentals, but this does not appear to be the case for Ens. Stickney's Company. There is one listing in National Archives documents for him as being on a list of Col. McClaughry's Regt. of Ulster Co. Militia; the list was generated by the NY Committee of Safety and can be found in National Archives Micropublication 246 (Revolutionary War Rolls), roll 75. You can borrow the microfilm by inter-library loan or view it on ancestry.com. I can't tell what the occasion for compiling the list was; it is dated 25 Oct 1775.

James Stickney of Orange County, N. Y. Military Record

colineilts — 2009-03-30 19:40:10Z

I am having great difficulty finding military information on James Stickney of Orange County, N. Y. I know he held a Lieutenant's commission during the Revolutionary War through acceptable published proofs, however I cannot find specific information. Specifically I am looking for revolutionary war service places, dates, regiment/organization and rank(s). Any insight or helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Biographical information is included below.

JAMES STICKNEY, b. in Tewksbury, Aug. 6, 1742; m. in Newburgh, N. Y., Mary, dau. of Samuel and Lydia Belknap, who was b. Jan. 9, 1740.

After his marriage and before the Revolutionary War he moved to Sawangunk, Orange County, N. Y,

Eight children:-
360. Marshall, b. Jan. 28, 1768; m. Elizabeth Little; Sarah Davidson.
361. Abigail, b. Apr. 10, 1769; d. aged 20 years.
362. Samuel Belknap, b. Apr. 12, 1770; m. Mary Schultz.
363. Abraham, b. June 5, 1772; m. Sarah Board.
364. Jonathan, b. May 15, 1774; d. unm.
365. William, b. Feb. 23, 1776; d. unm.
366. Eliphalet, b. Aug. 20, 1778; m. Phebe Howel.
367. Marcus, b. July 14, 1782; m. Elizabeth Buckley.

Thank you for any and all assistance.

Re: 2nd. Regiment of Orange County Militia (NY), Col. Haye's-Eckerson's Company

frostfreedet — 2008-11-09 08:03:09Z

Militia were formed within the Counties for defense within the county. Most County Militiamen did not see much active duty, let alone 'battles' or 'engagements', but this did vary by time and place (such as in the central Mohawk River Valley ). All free white males aged rughly 16 to 16 (varies by time and place) were obliged to be available for militia duty, if only to turn out for regular drills and nose-counts.

If you consult a late 19th century or early 20th century County History, it should give an account of any incidents involving the County Militia in the County. Since the Militia was not a standing army, it did not conduct 'campaigns', but you may find some documentation of active duty.

Militiamen were not entitled to either State or Congressional Bounty Land Warrants that were promised to members of Continental and State Regiment soldiers who completed 3 years' service or more. When offered, the Warrants were not 'for' any specific lands, but were supposed to entitle the veteran to claim a given amount of land in some place to be established after the War.

It is possible that your man was allowed Bounty land for some special service (after petitioning either the NY Legislature or the Congress) or pursuant to active-duty service other than in the militia.

Some Bounty Land Warrants were offered for service in the Indian Wars and War of 1812. In these cases and those of the Revolutionary War Land Warrants, the veterans usually sold the land rights, often even before specific lands were made available for actual land claims.

For information on Bounty Land available to NY Revolutionary War soldiers, do a web search for "Military Tracts" and "The Balloting Book".

Many men who were adults during the Revolutionary War moved to Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky and western Virginia where land grants could be purchased or obtained in right of settlement. Numerous genealogical writers have mistakenly assumed that these grants were related to War service. A very few of the grants in present West Virginia were related to Virginia service in the French and Indian War, and some Virginians with Revolutionary War service claimed land in KY and in the Virginia Military Tract in Ohio, but there was no such arrangement outside NY State for New Yorkers.

How do you know that your Cornelius Smith received a 'land grant', if you do not know where it was?

Good hunting,
Jade

2nd. Regiment of Orange County Militia (NY), Col. Haye's-Eckerson's Company

LindaLeigh1 — 2008-11-09 03:03:35Z

Does anyone know where I can find more information on the 2nd. Regiment of the Orange County Militia, Eckerson's Company of Col. Haye's Regiment? I am specifically interested in any engagements, battles, etc. that they might have been involved in. My GGGGG Grandfather, Cornelius Cor. Smith (Smit)of Rockland County, NY received a land grant for his service and I have found muster rolls for him. I would also like to know how to find out where that land grant would be located.Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Military Lot 34 in Solon, New York

frostfreedet — 2008-10-22 17:31:24Z

While recruiting for the Continental Regiments during the Revolutionary War, the Continental Congress authorized that men who enlisted for at least 3 years would be eligible for 500 acres Bounty Land if they served out their enlistment.

Most of the Colonies of course did not actually have unsettled land to give out then, but this is one of the pesky details the Congress was not very concerned about.

New York acquired central and western New York by treaty with the Iroquois League in 1794, and allocated a significant amount of this land to be surveyed for Military Bounty Land.

The land was laid out in Military Tracts, each Lot of 600 acres (the 500 acres promised by Congress plus 100 acres promised by NY). Groups of 100 Lots were given Town names, each Lot with its own number within each Town.

So Lot 34, Solon, was Military Lot 34 in Solon Town. Solon Town is now in Cortland Co., NY, but you'd have to look at the Town's history to be sure whether Lot 34 is still in Cortland County. When County boundaries changed to set off new Counties, at times some of the Towns were split between old and new County, and one part of a given Town would be renamed.

You can find information on how the Towns were originally allocated to Counties, and there were some County boundary changes in the 19th century that affected what Lots ended up in what County. Search for Military Lots and Military Tracts on the web.

The Bounty Land Warrants issued by Congress and by NY to the soldiers or their heirs were not tied to specific tracts of land. They were just promises of some land somewhere. After NY acquired the treaty land and had the lots surveyed and numbered, it held a lottery ca. 1798/1799 to match up land with the soldiers or heirs.

The basic paperwork for the Land Warrants has been lost - by a fire in Washington DC during the War of 1812, and the NY applications for Warrants were burned in a fire in 1919.

However, a book called the _Balloting Book_ was published from the documents that existed, I think in 1825, and it has been reprinted. Among other things it lists soldiers roughly alphabetically, gives the regiments of service and the allocated Military Lot numbers.

There was a trade in faked land warrants and fraudulent deeds concerning the military lots. This was easy since the names of soldiers and lot numbers were posted on the Albany County Courthouse door. Actual allocation of land was held up by a lot of resulting disputes, and dragged on until around 1808.

Most of the soldiers or their families did not actually settle on the Military Lots; they sold the land, often to speculators who bought either the Bounty Land Warrant or, later, title to the Lot by deed.

Many deeds selling the military land were recorded in Albany County. One of my ancestors was one of many who appeared in the Chancery Court in Albany to acknowledge a deed selling his Lot in Lysander Town; also present was the Regimental Paymaster, who verified my ancestor's identity as the soldier entitled to this land.

These deeds have been abstracted and published in the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, around Vol. 33 (1902). You can borrow this volume by inter-library loan, if you are not near a large library that has the series.

According to Ancestry's index of Revolutionary War soldiers in the Continental Army, there was a Daniel Murphy (also as Murphey?) who served in the First New York Regiment (Continental), but I don't know in what Company. You can look at the microfilmed muster rolls for this Regiment, which have been filmed by the National Archives as within Natonal Archives Micropublication 246, Revolutionary War Rolls; those for the First NY are on microfilm rolls 65 and 66. You can borrow these by inter-library loan.

Good hunting,
Jade

Military Lot 34 in Solon, New York

XBQB5B — 2008-09-14 12:09:46Z

Good morning,

I am researching my PECK family history and have found that Mary PECK (died 1771) and Daniel MURPHY (died 1767) had one son, Daniel, "who was in the Revolutionary Army and died in the service June 20, 1778. He drew Military Lot No. 34 in Solon, N.Y., for his military services."

PECK Genealogy by Darius PECK, 1877

Can anyone tell me what "He drew Miliary Lot No. 34 in Solon, N.Y., for his military services" means? Was this his army company number or did this have something to do with his death and burial?

Thank you for any help that you can give me.

Sue

Re: Sutherland/Shurley Rockland County

2008-09-09 03:37:45Z

ROCKLAND COUNTY IS IN NY, ABOUT 45 MINUTES OUT OF THE CITY OF NY AND BORDERS NEW JERSEY.THE HUDSON RIVER BUY WAY OF THE TAPPEN ZEE BRIDGE

Re: Huntington, L.I. Revolutionary Lost 3rd Battalion Roster, Baylis

frostfreedet — 2008-08-27 05:52:09Z

Legally the 'roster' of County Militiamen included all able-bodied free white males aged roughly 16-60 years (varies by time and place), who were supposed to be available minimally for periodic drills. Such musters were the occasion for listing those present in 'muster rolls'. Some may survive among the local County Court records. If they were all deposited in the State Archives before the major fire, they may have been destroyed.

You would have to research the location of the 18th century County Court records to determine what is available for you to look at in person.

Here is once place to start:

http://www.mynewyorkgenealogy.com/ny_county/suf.htm

Good hunting,
Jade

Huntington, L.I. Revolutionary Lost 3rd Battalion Roster, Baylis

anoble92 — 2008-08-25 03:25:33Z

My ancestor John Baylis was believed to be in the Revolutionary War according to family records but can't find him on a list. I found written in "Huntington Long Island, NY History" Peter Ross NY Lewis Pub. Co. 1902 that the roster for the Third Regiment of Suffolk county has not been found. Has anyone heard of this roster? Has it been found? My John Baylis was born 1730-35 - 1816 and was married to Phebe Lewis. Records of Old 1st Presbyterian Church, Huntington show birth, marriage, and burial.

Re: Frederick FELLS? Loyalist or Revolutionist?

frostfreedet — 2008-07-05 04:11:19Z

A person's activity in 1760s militia has nothing to do with sentiments during Revolutionary War.

Best avenue would be to check any source given on internet sites where you found mention of repercussions for Loyalist sentiment or activity. Or ask person who posted it what their source was.

Good search site for Rev. War Patriot activity is

http://www.threerivershms.com/search.htm

but even finding a Patriot entry does not rule out Loyalist activity.

Good hunting,
Jade

Re: Frederick FELLS? Loyalist or Revolutionist?

gaylemc80 — 2008-07-04 15:53:39Z

I didn't find him in the DAR Index. You may have seen this:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&d... There are other entries you can see via http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi? by entering his name and birthdate or approx. or just his wife's name instead of birthdate.
Do you mean Florence Christoph? This name is found concerning the Van Voorhees Families- I only mention this because she seems quite knowledgeable.

Frederick FELLS? Loyalist or Revolutionist?

stonejay — 2008-07-04 00:15:52Z

I would like to confirm if Frederick FELL whom I've traced back to Claverac, Columbia Co, New York, USA was a Loyalist or Revolutionist?

He is listed as a private in Captain Johannis Hogeboom's Company in the book Upstate New York in the 1760's by Florence Chritoph.
He is also listed as a private in Captain's Richard Esselstyn's Company in History of Columbia County, New York by Evert & Ensign.

However, I found notes on the internet that he spend 10 months in jail for opposing the revolution, but no mention of that was made in the report I received from the Columbia Historical Society.

Re: Bounty Land Warrants, pension appls.burned up?

V6668lsc — 2008-07-02 16:15:44Z

NYS Archives has (1) one microfilm available of Revolutionary War records. Mostly dealing with Present Day Rensselaer co including the 14th Albany militia. It is worth looking at I found an acutal digital image of the 14th Albany Milita roster and payroll with my ancestor on it. It also contains miscelaneous fire damaged documants which were microfilmed. In there I found a handwritten note for militia pay authorizing a 5th great uncle of mine to pick up militia pay due to my 5th Great grandfather and his other brother.
When you go to the ahives just ask for the microfilm on avail revolutionary war militia records. I did not throughly look for anything but my surname and the 14th so I ont remeber what else was on the roll.

Re: Demaray

frostfreedet — 2008-05-30 17:03:57Z

Deborah,

You have already had substantive replies to your Demaray questions concerning some survivng milita records.

These records will not fill in who were brothers and who were not.

So your question is a genealogical one rather than a 'Revolutionary War' one.

Estate records of parents and perhaps of the individuals may tell you more, as may land records of the parents.

Good hunting,
Jade

Re: Demaray

gaylemc80 — 2008-05-30 13:41:11Z

What are their names? The chance of someone having info about his brothers--would be relatives and in their finding your msg. would be like a needle in a haystack. I don't mean to be rude but that's the way it is.

Demaray

DFantana — 2008-05-29 15:54:51Z

I know Samuel Demaray dob 1754 served in the Revolution War from Albany,NY.
Did any of his brothers serve in the war?
Deborah

Conklin's of New York

dsegelquist — 2008-02-19 16:56:37Z

The other day I got a E. mail about Conklin’s thinking it was for me I look up some information then found it was not for me, so as not to waste the information I am posting it here, I hope this information will help some one.

Dennis Segelquist
Civilian & Military Surname Searcher
http://www.civilwarthosesurnames.blogspot.com

State: New York.
County: Broome
Name: John Conklin
Rank: Private.
Service: 23rd. Regiment infantry.
Died: January 15, 1815.
Heirs: Cornelius, Catherine and Susannah Conklin
Annual allowance: $48.
Sums received: $240.
Placed on rolls: September 22, 1819.
Commencement of pension: February 17, 1815.
Age:---
Remarks: Ending of pension February 17, 1820.

State: New York.
County: New York.
Name: Lewis H. Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: 46th. Regiment infantry
Died: January 6, 1815.
Heirs: Nelson, James and Mary Ann Conklin.
Annual allowance: $48.
Sums received: $240.
Placed on rolls: November 26, 1819.
Commencement of pension: November 19, 1819.
Age: ---
Remarks: Ending of pension November 19, 1824.

State: New York
County: Rensselaer.
Name: Edmund Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: Private.
Annual allowance: $96.
Sums received: $37.09.
Service: New York line.
Placed on rolls: June 26, 1821.
Commencement of pension: April 27, 1818.
Age: 69.

State: New York.
County: Rockland
Name: John L. Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: Private.
Annual allowance: $96.
Sums received: $23.09.
Service: New York line.
Placed on rolls: December 7, 1831
Commencement of pension: December 5, 1831.
Age: 74.

State: New York.
County: Tompkins
Name: John Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: New Jersey line.
Annual allowance: $96.
Sums received: $382.96.
Placed on rolls: September 9, 1823.
Commencement of pension: July 14, 1823.
Age: 73.
Remarks: Died July 9, 1827.

State: New York.
County: Broome.
Name: John Conklin.
Rank: Sergeant of Artillery.
Service: New York Militia.
Annual allowance: $188.
Sums received: ----
Placed on rolls: November 28, 1831.
Commencement of pension: March 4, 1831.
Age: 77.

State: New York.
County: Broome
Name: Elias Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: New Jersey Militia.
Annual allowance: $80.
Sums received: ---
Placed on rolls: January 12, 1833
Commencement of pension: March 4, 1831.
Age: 73.

State: New York.
County: Courtland.
Name: Joseph Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: New York Militia.
Annual allowance: $33.33
Sums received: ---
Placed on rolls: December 27, 1833.
Commencement of pension: March 4, 1831.
Age: 76.

State: New York.
County: Onondaga.
Name: Samuel Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: New York Militia.
Annual allowance: $40.
Sums received: $80.
Placed on rolls: January 8, 1833.
Commencement of pension: March 4, 1831.
Age: 66.

State: New York.
County: Onondaga.
Name: Jonathan Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: New York Cont’l line.
Annual allowance: $70.
Sums received: $210.
Placed on rolls: March 26, 1834.
Commencement of pension: March 4, 1831.
Age: 73.

State: New York.
County: Rockland.
Name: Abraham Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: New York Militia.
Annual allowance: $80.
Sums received: ---
Placed on rolls: January 2, 1834.
Commencement of pension: March 4, 1831.
Age: 83.

State: New York.
County: Ulster
Name: Seth Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: New Jersey Militia.
Annual allowance: $71.66.
Sums received: ---
Placed on rolls: December 10, 1833.
Commencement of pension: March 4, 1831.
Age: 71.

State: New York.
County: Westchester.
Name: Francis Conklin.
Rank: Private.
Service: New York Conn’l line.
Annual allowance: $20.
Sums received: ---
Placed on rolls: January 21, 1833.
Commencement of pension: March 4, 1831.
Age: 76.

Re: Niclaes Demaray or DeMarest

frostfreedet — 2008-02-17 01:17:07Z

Deborah,

See these replies to one of your earlier queries on men of this surname

http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.Military.amerrev.general/2...

Also see earlier replies to your queries regarding Samuel in July.

The source records have not changed. A fire still destroyed most of them. The research techniques required to get answers to your questions, including going to the NY Archives, the NY Public Library and Historical societies, also have not changed. Web searches will still locate the same extracts from the books published before the fire.

It is still the case that all able-bodied white males aged roughly 16-65 (age range varied by time and place) were required to be available for militia duty, that militia were regularly mustered for drill and to 'count heads,' and that a name's appearance on a militia muster roll does not indicate active-duty service.

Without doing the requisite local research you cannot determine who exactly the name on a muster roll might go with. There may be more men by the same name than have been mentioned in items on the web. Land and tax records, estate records, etc., may have answers to your questions.

Good hunting,
Jade

Niclaes Demaray or DeMarest

DFantana — 2008-02-16 17:05:09Z

I know Samuel Demaray dob 1754 served in the American Revolution, from Albany NY.
I read his dad Niclaes was in it too. Can this be true.
Niclaes dob 1730. served in 2nd Regt, Ny 14t6h Albany Mitilia is what I have.
Deborah

Re: Jehiel Green, Cranes Reg't, NY Militia & Weissenfels Reg't, NY Levies

Carol_McGrew — 2008-02-02 06:31:51Z

http://morrisonspensions.org/green.html ---