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Cramer Family

Posted: 6 May 2010 8:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
I am looking for information on my dad's side of the family. Grandfather was John A Cramer 1881-1946. Born in Ruth,Michigan and died in Saginaw,Michigan. He owned the Cramer Tire Company in Saginaw. He married Mary A Hively 1903-1958. Born in Caro,Michigan and died in Saginaw,Michigan. Grandpa had 2 children by someone other that Grandma. Daughter, Della A Cramer October 1911. Believe she married a Green. Son Philip A Cramer June 1912. Both these children lived with an Amelia Defresne for a while. Children born with Grandpa and Grandma were:
Clayton Carl Cramer June 29,1921 - Lived in Saginaw,MI Married Lillian.
Maxine Cramer
Edward R Cramer June 30,1925 - August 28, 1991 -Lived in New York and was a test pilot. Married Emma.
Jack J Cramer March 12,1927 - July 22, 1955 - He shot himself.
Gust A Cramer January 12,1930 - December 8,1938 - Died of a ruptured appendix due to injuries suffered 5 wks prior to his death.
Donald Leroy Cramer January 21,1932 - February 4,1992 - Lived in Bridgeport,MI This is my father. Married Mary.
William J Cramer (Bill) February 23, 1934 - January 11,1999
Lived in Saginaw,MI. Married Elaine.
Mary Lou Cramer February 8,1937 - April 29,1989 - Lived In Wheeler,Mi I believe. Married Dave Bourogh
And Betty Jane Cramer September 25,1942 - January 15,1991. Married Art Ritter.

Re: John CRAMER & Mary HIVELY, m. 1921, Michigan

Posted: 8 May 2010 12:55AM GMT
Classification: Query
I've done some searching for you. I think this John, b. 10 May 1880, is your grandfather. When you compare the names on the various marriages and censuses below, they all seem to fit together. John was married three times; the same parents are listed each time (August/Gus & Anna/Annie). His first wife (mother of Della and Phillip) died in 1914. His second wife was Adeline Howell-Sims, whom he names on his draft registration. I couldn't find her death. Then he married your grandmother in 1921.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: John Anthony Cramer
City: Saginaw
County: Saginaw
State: Michigan
Birth Date: 10 May 1880
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1682808
Draft Board: 1
Age: 38
Occupation: machinist @ Mitto & Merrill (S. Water, Saginaw)
Nearest Relative: Mrs. Adeline Cramer (second wife)
Height/Build: medium/medium
Color of Eyes/Hair: blue/brown

John’s first marriage (mother of Della and Phillip):

Groom's Name: John Cramer
Groom's Race: white
Groom's Age: 27 years
Groom's Residence: Bay City
Groom's Birthplace: Huron Co.
Groom's Occupation: Engineer
Bride's Name: Aurelia Dufresne
Bride's Race: white
Bride's Age: 26 years
Bride's Residence: Essexville
Bride's Birthplace: Essexville
Marriage Date: 18 Jan 1910
Marriage Place: Bay City, Bay, Michigan
Groom's Father: August
Groom's Mother: ...nnie Conaby
Bride's Father: Joseph [Dufresne]
Bride's Mother: ...malia Chevarette [Della & Phillip were living with her in 1920]
Groom's Marital Status: first marriage
Bride's Marital Status: first marriage
Marriage performed by RJ Van Rooy, Priest
Witnesses: John & Mary Dufresne of Essexville, M
Film Number: 2342688
Digital Folder Number: 4209131
Image Number: 251
Reference Number: v 1 p 16 rn 13291
Collection: Michigan Marriages, 1868-1925

Aurelia Dufresne's death:

County: Bay
Essexville
Name: Cramer, Orelia
White, female, married, housewife
Birth Year: 28 Jul 1885
Age: 29
Death: 2 Jun 1914
Father's Name: Joseph Dufresne, b. CAN
Mother's Name: Amelia Chevaretti, b. CAN
Rights: Library of Michigan
Cause of death: valvular heart disease, cerebral apoplexy, hypostatic pneumonia
Burial: St. Patrick Cem

John’s second marriage (wife at time of draft registration):

Groom's Name: John Craner
Groom's Race: white
Groom's Age: 35 years
Groom's Birth Date: 1882
Groom's Birthplace: Huron County
Occupation: Engineer
Groom's Father: Gus.
Groom's Mother: Anna Kanaba
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife:
Bride's Name: Adeline Howell Sims
Bride's Race: white
Bride's Age: 44 years
Bride's Birth Date: 1873
Bride's Birthplace: Kentucky
Bride's Father: Henderson Howell
Bride's Mother: Mary E. Slack
Both residents of Saginaw E.S.
Both married once previously
Marriage Date: 26 Sep 1917
Marriage Place: Saginaw, Saginaw, Michigan
Married by C.E. Doty, Clergyman
Witnesses: Ronald H. & Bessie L. Gilliland of Flint, Mich.
Film Number: 2342722
Digital Folder Number: 4209964
Image Number: 619
Reference Number: v 5 p 53 rn 24366
Collection: Michigan Marriages, 1868-1925

John’s third marriage:

Groom's Name: John A Cramer
Groom's Race: white
Groom's Age: 33 [38] years
Resident of Saginaw
Occupation: Engineer
Groom's Birthplace: Huron Co
Groom's Father: Gus Cramer
Groom's Mother: Anna
Bride's Name: Mary Hivley
Bride's Race: white
Bride's Age: 21 years
Resident of Caro
Occupation: housekeeper
Bride's Birthplace: Caro
Bride's Father: Andrew
Bride's Mother: Eliz Warner
Date of License: 27 Apr 1921
Marriage Place: Saginaw, Michigan
[remainder of registration is blank]
Film Number: 2342745
Digital Folder Number: 4210036
Image Number: 442
Reference Number: v 6 rn 28198
Collection: Michigan Marriages, 1868-1925

Mary’s parents’ marriage:

Groom's Name: Andrew J. Hively
Groom's Race: white
Groom's Age: 21 years
Resident of Almer [Tuscola Co, Michigan]
Groom's Birthplace: Michigan
Occupation: Farmer
Groom's Father: Eli Hively
Groom's Mother: Dina Bells
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Warner
Bride's Race: white
Bride's Age: 16 years
Resident of Caro
Bride's Birthplace: New York
Occupation: Housekeeper
Marriage Type: first for both
Marriage Date: 18 Jan 1888
Marriage Place: Caro, Tuscola Co, Michigan
Bride's Father: Wm. Warner
Bride's Mother: Margaret Bennet
Married by J.O. Westfall, Justice of Peace
Witnesses: William & Harriet Warner of Caro
Film Number: 2342484
Digital Folder Number: 4207806
Image Number: 282
Reference Number: v 3 p 338 rn 7
Collection: Michigan Marriages, 1868-1925

I think you've seen some of these censuses, but I'll paste them in anyway:

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: John A Cramer
Home in 1930: 840 Washington, Saginaw Twp, Saginaw, Michigan
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Birthplace: Michigan
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Mary L
Race: White
Occupation: tire repairing
Education: cannot read or write
Military service: no
Own home/ value $3800 / radio set
Age at first marriage: 24
Parents' birthplace: Michigan
Household Members:
John A Cramer 48
Mary L Cramer 27; married at 18 [about 1921]; can read/write; parents b. Mich.
Della Green 18; married at 18
Philip A Cramer 17
Clayton Cramer 8
Maxine Cramer 5 7/12
Edward Cramer 4 9/12
Jack Cramer 1 10/12
Gust A Cramer 2/12

1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Della A Cramer
Home in 1920: Essexville, Bay, Michigan
Estimated birth year: abt 1911
Birthplace: Michigan
Relation to Head of House: Granddaughter
Father's Birth Place: Michigan
Mother's Birth Place: Michigan
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
Household Members:
Amelia Dufresne 52 [widowed grandmother of Della & Philip]
Joseph C Dufresne 17
Frances C Dufresne 14
Roy M Dufresne 13
Della A Cramer 9
Philip A Cramer 7

I haven’t found John in 1910 or 1920 yet; I could search some more.

John’s parents:

Augustus Cramer, b. Nov 1848/50, GER
d. 2 Sep 1921, Paris Twp, Huron Co, Michigan
Hedviges Kanaby (Hidriges/Hanna/Anna), b. Jun 1860, POL
(Birth dates from 1900 census are not necessarily correct.)

Their marriage:

Groom's Name: August Kramer
Bride's Name: Hedviges Kanaby
Marriage Date: 30 Oct 1876
Marriage Place: Huron, Michigan
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M51844-2
System Origin: Michigan-ODM
Source Film Number: 981979
Collection: Michigan Marriages, 1822-1995

Residence in census years:

1870: Menominee Twp, Menominee Co, Michigan (in the UP on the MI/WI border; see below)
1880: Paris Twp, Huron Co, Michigan (see below)
1900: Paris Twp, Huron Co, Michigan (see below)
1910: Paris Twp, Huron Co, Michigan (see below)
1920: Paris Twp, Huron Co, Michigan (see below)
1930: Anna living in Paris Twp, Huron Co, Michigan (see below)

Children (Ruth is in Paris Twp, Huron Co):

1. Joseph, b. Aug 1877/78; living in 1900
2. John, b. 10 May 1880, Paris Twp
3. Anny, b. 17 Dec 1880; d. 27 Dec 1880, Paris Twp, 10 days (death transcription says 10 months, but 10 days fits; odd that mom got pregnant so soon after John]
4. Maggie, b. about 1882; d. 15 Jan 1896, Paris Twp, 13 years-8 mos-5 days
5. Elizabeth (Frances?), b. 20 Apr 1884, Paris Twp; living in 1900
6. Louise, b. about Aug 1885; d. 1 Jan 1896, Paris Twp, 11 years-4 mos-1 day
7. Joseph, b. 27 Apr 1886, Paris Twp; d. by 1900
8. female Kramer, b. about 1889; d. 6 May 1889, Paris Twp, 0 months
9. Elias/Alice, b. 16 Jun 1890, Paris Twp; d. 28 Jan 1896, Paris Twp
10. Barney, b. about 1892; d. 21 Jan 1896, Paris Twp, 3 years-6 months
11. Archie, b. about May 1895; living in 1930
12. August Jr, b. 1 Mar 1898, Paris Twp; d. 1920//1930
m. Anna Braze, 27 Apr 1920, Huron Co
13. one more, acc’d to 1910 census

1870 United States Federal Census
Name: August Cramer
Birth Year: abt 1848
Age in 1870: 22
Birthplace: Prussia
Home in 1870: Menominee, Menominee, Michigan
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Menominee
27 men boarding with:
Saml Haywood 34
Esther C Haywood 24
Samuel C Haywood 4
Edward Haywood 1
August Cramer 22; works in saw mill

1880 United States Federal Census
Name: August Cramer
Home in 1880: Paris, Huron, Michigan
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Prussia
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's name: Hanna
Father's birthplace: Prussia
Mother's birthplace: Prussia
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Household Members:
August Cramer 30
Hanna Cramer 21
Josaph Cramer 2
John Cramer 1M
Coliasia Cramer 14, b. POL ["daughter"--a mistake, or perhaps Augustus was previously married]

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: August Creamer [August Cramer]
Home in 1900: Paris, Huron, Michigan
Age: 49
Birth Date: Nov 1850
Birthplace: Germany
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1861
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Anny
Marital Status: Married 23 years [about 1877]
Residence: Paris Township, Huron, Michigan
Occupation: farmer
Neighbors: (Fred Creamer, b. Sep 1822, GER; 1850 immigrant; wife Tracy, b. Jan 1852, CAN)
Household Members:
August Creamer 49, b. Nov 1850; parents b. GER
Anny Creamer 39, b. Jun 1860; 5/12 children living; 1863 immigrant; parents b. POL
Joseph Creamer 20, b. Aug 1879
John Creamer 18, b. May 1882
Francis Creamer 14, b. Jun 1885
Archie Creamer 5, b. May 1895
August Creamer 3, b. Mar 1897

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: August Kramer
Age in 1910: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Germany
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Germany
Mother's Birth Place: Germany
Spouse's name: Annie
Home in 1910: Paris, Huron, Michigan
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1861
Household Members:
August Kramer 60; farmer
Annie Kramer 50, 5/13 children living; 1866 immigrant
Joseph Kramer 29
Archie Kramer 15
August Kramer Jr 12

1920 (Jan) United States Federal Census
Name: August Kramer
Home in 1920: Paris, Huron, Michigan
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Birthplace: Germany
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Spouse's name: Anna
Father's Birth Place: Germany
Mother's Birth Place: Germany
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own mortgage free
Year of Immigration: 1861
Able to read: No
Able to Write: No
Both speak English
Household Members:
August Kramer 73; naturalized in 1894; farmer
Anna Kramer 62; 1866 immigration
August Kramer Jr 21, laborer / home farm

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Anna Kramer
Home in 1930: Paris, Huron, Michigan
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Poland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation: farmer
Education: cannot read or write
Own farm / value $4000
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace:
Household Members:
Anna Kramer 72
Archie Kramer 30, laborer

carlsonjm@hotmail.com

Re: John CRAMER & Mary HIVELY, m. 1921, Michigan

Posted: 8 May 2010 2:01AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you very much for the information. I greatly appreciate it. I am new to ancestry and don't know what to do to get the information like you did. I could not find anything on my grandfather John. How did you find it? My grandparents and father and all his siblings have past on so no one to ask these question too. Once again thank you for the info.

Re: John CRAMER & Mary HIVELY, m. 1921, Michigan

Posted: 8 May 2010 2:55AM GMT
Classification: Query
You're very welcome. I used Ancestry.com (subscription for census and draft), and also these sites:

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#...

and

http://seekingmichigan.cdmhost.com/seeking_michigan/seek_adv...

If you'd like a copy of an actual image, e-mail me and I'll get it for you.

carlsonjm@hotmail.com
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