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Picinich

mary bowman (View posts)
Posted: 31 Aug 2003 8:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Picinich
Looking for John Picinich who married a Mary S??????????. Received a copy of my great grandfathers marriage and listed the above. Figure time period to be circa 1850. All I know is my great grandfather was listed as being born in Austria in the 1870's. His name was also John. Just trying to find a town or something over there where he came from.

Re: Picinich

dr T.Former (View posts)
Posted: 31 Aug 2003 11:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
Ellis Island manifests have PICINIC coming from Mali Losinj (Lussinpiccolo) on the island of Losinj and from a tiny island of Susak (Sansego).
About Mali Losinj:
http://www.tz-malilosinj.hr/english/
Currently there are still PICINIC tel subscribers listed in both places.
You can email the certificate and I could try to read for you the other name.
LDS (the Mormons) has filmed the church records for Mali Losinj going back to 16th century:
Title
Matična knjiga, 1592-1901

Authors
Rimokatolička crkva. Župa Mali Lošinj (Main Author)

Notes
Snimljeno sa originalnih dokumenata u Hrvatskom državnom arhivu u Zagrebu.
Metrical books (births, marriages, deaths) for Lošinj Mali, Küstenland, Austria; later Lussinpiccolo, Pola, Italy; now Mali Lošinj, Croatia. Text in Latin, Italian, and Serbo-Croatian, partially in Glagolitic script.

Subjects
Croatia, Mali Lošinj - Church records
Italy, Pola, Lussinpiccolo - Church records
Austria, Küstenland, Lošinj Mali - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Serbo-Croatian (Roman)
Italian
Latin

Publication
Salt Lake City : Snimljeno na mikrofilm od The Genealogical Society of Utah, 1990-1999

Physical
na 9 mikrofilmova ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Rođeni 1680-1747 - FHL INTL Film [ 1738832 Item 4 ]
Vjenčani 1670-1704 - FHL INTL Film [ 1738832 Item 5 ]
Vjenčani 1704-1745 - FHL INTL Film [ 1738833 Item 1 ]
Rođeni 1749-1814 - FHL INTL Film [ 2084817 Items 1-4 ]
Rođeni 1814-1821 - FHL INTL Film [ 2084818 Item 1 ]
Rođeni 1822-1834 -- Umrli 1822-1834 -- Vjenčani 1822-1834 - FHL INTL Film [ 2084818 Item 2 ]
Rođeni 1835-1850 - FHL INTL Film [ 2084818 Item 3 ]
Rođeni 1851-1877 - FHL INTL Film [ 2084819 Items 1-2 ]
Rođeni 1878-1890 - FHL INTL Film [ 2084820 Item 1 ]
Vjenčani 1746-1821 - FHL INTL Film [ 2084820 Item 2 ]
Vjenčani 1835-1901 - FHL INTL Film [ 2084821 Items 1-2 ]
Umrli 1732-1811 - FHL INTL Film [ 2084821 Items 3-4 ]
Umrli 1835-1859 - FHL INTL Film [ 2084822 Item 1 ]
Rođeni 1596-1680 -- Krizmani 1592-1754 -- Vjenčani 1622-1664 -- Umrli 1630-1765 - FHL INTL Film [ 2199340 Items 1 - 5 ]

Rodeni= births, krizmani= confirmations, vjencani= marriages, umrli= deaths. For a small fee you can view these films at the local LDS Family Center.
And for Susak:
Title
Matična knjiga, 1815-1901

Authors
Rimokatolička crkva. Župa Susak (Main Author)

Notes
Snimljeno sa originalnih dokumenata v Hrvatskom državnom arhivu u Zagrebu.
Tekst po latinskom i taliajanskom.
Roman Catholic parish registers of births and deaths for Sansego, Küstenland, Austria; now Susak, Croatia. Text in Latin and Italian.

Subjects
Croatia, Susak - Church records
Austria, Küstenland, Sansego - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Latin
Italian

Publication
Salt Lake City : Snimljeno na mikrofilm od the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1997

Physical
na 1 mikrofilma ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Rođeni 1815-1821, 1815-1847 - FHL INTL Film [ 2100020 Items 4-5 ]
Umrli 1816-1901 - FHL INTL Film [ 2100020 Items 6-7 ]
Advise about reading of those documents:
http://www.croatia-in-english.com/index.html




Re: Picinich

dr T.Former (View posts)
Posted: 31 Aug 2003 11:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
Little island of Susak on the map:
http://imenik.htnet.hr/htnet/map.dll/image?l=4&x=2326037...
Some of the PICINIC in Croatia:


Here are results 1-10 of 31 for your search for picinic/051
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01. MILOHANOVIC-PICINIC MARIO Rijeka, Vere Bratonje 18 (+385) 51 262 864
02. PICINIC ALFREDO Mali Losinj (+385) 98 713 313
03. PICINIC ALFREDO Mali Losinj, Malin 16 (+385) 51 233 793
04. PICINIC ANA Mali Losinj, Losinj. Brodograditelja 66 (+385) 51 231 847
05. PICINIC ANA Susak, Susak 237 (+385) 51 239 037
06. PICINIC ANA Susak, Susak 362 (+385) 51 239 181
07. PICINIC ANA Susak, Susak 676 (+385) 51 239 059
08. PICINIC ANKA Mali Losinj, Malin 16 (+385) 51 231 793
09. PICINIC ANTON Susak, Susak BB (+385) 51 239 005
10. PICINIC ANTONIJETA Mali Losinj, Veloselska cesta 41 (+385) 51 231 781
On the arrival they identify themselves as Croatian. The name seems to be of Italian origin. Piccino means very small.

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Re: Picinich

Posted: 1 Sep 2003 12:24AM GMT
Classification: Query
Your post is a bit confusing you state that the "time period to be circa 1850" and then go on to say that he was born in 1870.

Ellis Island records indicate the arrival of 27 Giovanni PICINICH. Many of the records are for the member of "Ships Crew" as even the crews were on the ship manifests. The reason for the Italian given name, Giovanni, is the rule or influnence of Italy in that part of Croatia. Giovanni = John

The Croatian name for John would be Ivan but there are no Ivans arr at Ellis Island.

But then you did not state whether or not he immigrated to the US or anyother place! Did he immigrate? If so where? where did he settle? Was he married in Europe or some other place?

Robert Jerin

Re: Picinich

mary bowman (View posts)
Posted: 2 Sep 2003 1:48AM GMT
Classification: Query
I am so excited over doing this research that I was not paying attention to detail(something I should do all the time). My Picinich family is as follows:
John D. Picinich born 1872 in Austria, married 1896 in Arlington Massachusettes. Then moved to New Jersey. I have the 1930 census info and wedding info from Arlington, MA.
On the marriage info it states his parents as John N. Picinich and Mary (this is where the handwriting is difficult to determine) Scirmonone. (Best guess). He entered the U.S. in 1888. I am currently finding his death certificate, but am totally lost as to how to go further back, since all I have is on his children's birth certificates that he came from Austria. He remained an Alien as far as I can see from census.

Re: Picinich

mary bowman (View posts)
Posted: 2 Sep 2003 1:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
oops there I go getting all excited and forgetting the most important part. Thanks to both of you for your replies. I will look further into Susak and appreciate all your help

Re: Picinich

Posted: 2 Sep 2003 2:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
One thing is almost certain that your search in Croatia will lead you to Mali Losinj (known as Lussinpiccolo when it was under Italian and Austrian influence) and perhaps a single town. I believe that dr pointed this out in another message.

There are over 50 records found at the LDS Family Search web page inc Social Security Death Index files, but chances are that John was born too early for SS, as benefits began around 1937.

Here is an obit which mentions a Mrs. John PICINICH from Newfoundland, Grand Banks, Canada 1926

Died at Vancouver, B.C., Oct. 22nd, HERBERT CARIVAN, son of Mary and the late John Carivan, formerly of this town, and husband of Catherine (Kitty) Carivan. Deceased left this town about 19 years ago, and since that time has made his home in the West. In that period, the late Mr. Carivan enjoyed a fair amount of prosperity. As a builder he was looked upon as a master of his trade. Two years ago he received a fall, the effects of he has suffered ever since. On the 23rd, a message to relatives in this town conveyed the sad news of his passing, mother Mary Carivan. Left to mourn are a widow, four brothers, William and Allen, of Vancouver, B.C., Elijah at Lushes Bight, N.D.B., Thomas, Long Beach, California, and three sisters, Mrs. John Elms of this town, Mrs. John Picinich, Jersey City, N.J., Mrs. John Rankin, Glace Bay, N.S

Also here is an interesting web page about PICINICH family. I notice the SIMICICH family is associated with this one. Could that be Mary (Maria) name? It would make sense that he would marry someone from the same place where he was from. SCIRMONONE is not found at Ellis Island which gives one the idea that the sp is not correct. I tried a few variations and also name begins with SCIR and found nothing.

I believe the LDS Family History Library has microfilm church records of the town where John most likely came from.

Also you may want to register your surname at Tom Ninkovich's web page. He makes trips to the coastal area of Croatia each year and searches for records for people.

http://www.croatia-in-english.com/index.html

Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
http://www.croatia-in-english.com/rj/

Re: Picinich

Tom (View posts)
Posted: 2 Sep 2003 7:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Mary: If you DO find your family is from the island of Susak, you're in luck because much has been written about it. Go here: http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~zzspri/travels/susak/ and you will find a lot of info including 2 books listed at the bottom of the page as references. I have seen those books in the library at Mali Los"inj and they are indeed informative -- one has a summary of a physical anthropology study done back in the 1950s. I notice in the above webpage that Picinic' is the most common name on the island. But, as you have probably already found out, there are many on Los"inj, too.

Good luck.

Re: Picinich

mary bowman (View posts)
Posted: 3 Sep 2003 5:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you very much. I will look into the spelling of maternal side. Also thank you for the info on Newfoundland. Yes, my great grandmother did come from there. Thank you again, and if you all need any help from Mississippi, just yell.

Re: Picinich

mary bowman (View posts)
Posted: 3 Sep 2003 5:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks again. I will start doing my research with renewed enthusiam. I needed all of your help to get me past what I thought to be a brick wall forever. Thank you again
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